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 Post subject: Bf 110 loss - 06/12/39
PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:31 pm 
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Hi,

K6189 – Anson I – VX-R – 206 Squadron.

On 6th December 1939 this aircraft was missing from North Sea patrol and is believed to have crashed in the North Sea killing the crew, P/O J.H.Grimes, Sgt V.D.MacMillan, Cpl H.J.Cockayne and AC1 J.C.Bagley, after colliding during combat with a Bf 110 of II./ZG 26 (which also crashed killing its crew) 70 miles north of Texel, Holland.

Can anybody supply me with the names and ranks of the Bf 110 crew?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:25 pm 
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Hi Blenheim,

An Obfw Franz Hoffmann 2./ZG 26 claimed an Anson 100 km N. Texel on the 06Dec39. This would seem to be a good match with the 206 Sqn loss.

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 Post subject: Bf 110 loss - 06/12/39
PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:21 pm 
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Hi Andy,

Thank you for your reply to my query and I ask you to accept my apologies for the delay in my response: family illnesses including me.

Hoffmann's Bf 110 would seem to be a contender except that I understood the 110 in question was also lost, with its crew (which was why I ignored Hoffman), and it was with II./ZG 26 not 2./ZG 26. My information comes from McNeill's book of Coastal Command losses and I hesitate to suggest that he is wrong without more concrete evidence.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:54 pm 
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Hi Blenheim,

I've got no other possible contenders I'm afraid.

You might try asking the question on Ross' site at

http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcfo ... =DCConfID1

if you haven't already.

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All I have on the matter is that OFw Franz Hoffman and Uffz Wilhelm Fuchs of 2./ZG 26 were MIA that day.

AFAIK, only one sortie was launched by the unit during the morning and that was to intercept an intruder near the Frisian Is. I had always worked on the assumption that the claiment and unfortunate Lw crew were one and the same.

My books are packed up at the moment but perhaps someone with Fledgling Eagles might look up the date to see what it says.


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Here is the text from "Fledgling Eagles" Page 127-8 6/12/39:-

"At 0925on the morning of that day Anson K6189(VX-R) of 206 Squadron set off on a North Sea patrol with Plt Off Grimes at the controls. The aircraft reached the Frisian Islands where it was intercepted by a Bf 110 of 2./ZG26, 70 miles north of Texel. In the ensuing fight one or other of the pilots apparently made an error of judgement, for the two aircraft collided in mid-air to the west of Texel, both crashing into the seas with the loss of all aboard; the Bf 110 crew were Ofw Franz Hoffman and Uffz Wilhelm Fuchs."

Hope that the above is some help.

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Splendid, just what I needed. Thank you very much everybody.

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Splendid, just what I needed. Thank you very much everybody.

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Sorry about the double post. The system said it couldn't send mine to the board so I told it to have another go.

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