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 Post subject: Junker 188 crash
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:14 pm 
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Hello, i'm Claudio from Italy, i'm an historical researcher about my little region.
One yaer ago, i have found an old witness who told me about an unknow german plane crashed near Frabosa Soprana (South of Cuneo) in 12 - 13 September 1944.
I have found the crash site and a little bit of small scrap iron.
On one of these i have found a code and I have found that the airplane would have to be a Junker 188 D2 with this code F6+LP. It belonged Aufklarungsgruppe 6/(F) 122 with base to Bergamo.
I know the name of the captain who would have to be Lt. Gottfried Heenes (or Heene).
Unfortunately I have not found trace of nothing in the communal archives.
From local reports partisan goes the zone under control and the Germans doesn't go on the crash site.
The corpses were repatriated after 1945.
I don't know the name of the other air ones and where they are buried.
I have found these information from http://luftwaffedata.co.uk/html/losses_-_1944.html but now it is extinguished.
The data on this Internet page were:

12 Sep 1944
6(F)./122
Ju 188D-2
F6+LP
150235
Crashed no details available, all of Ltn. Gottfried HeeneÂ’s crew were killed.


Someone helps me?

many thanks in advance
Claudio


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 Post subject: Re: Junker 188 crash
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:08 pm 
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Claudio,

Nothing much to add I'm afraid, other than the fact that it was apparently lost due to engine failure.

See Aufkl Gr 122 Diary Sept 1944

I'm afraid that the old URL is long gone.

From your information we now have a more specific location for the crash site - I will add that to the web page in due course.

Good luck with your search - be sure to keep us informed of any leads that you may find.

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 Post subject: Re: Junker 188 crash
PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:36 am 
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I'm happy to help you with others informations.
This is a italian forum's page about this crash:
http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/discus ... 3955937500
This is an image of the impact zone:
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 Post subject: Re: Junker 188 crash
PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:00 am 
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I interviewed the inhabitants of the zone and they said to me that in the nigth between 12 and 13 September it was fog, but the airplane was seen in other zone with a burning engine.
The airplane was taken apart and sold by the local population
The Germans did not come in zone during the conflict.
I interviewed the caretaker of the Costermano's cemetary, where all the German soldiers died in Italy are buried, but there isn't nobody person with the name Lt. Gottfried Heenes.
Probably it was buried like unknown person.
Is possible to know the flight plans for being able to go back to the names of the other air ones?
An other question:
where are you found these informations
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk/wiki/ind ... 2_Sep_1944
and how you have made to know the incident's causes?


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 Post subject: Re: Junker 188 crash
PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:44 pm 
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Claudio,

The details of this and other operations by this unit in Italy were published as part of the following book:-

"Air war Italy 1944-45" by Nick Beale, fernando D'Amico and Gabriele Valentini - see page 105.

However, the notes in that book indicate that the crew were injured.

This indicates that I received some additional information on this crash.

I will see what further details i can find over the next few days.

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 Post subject: Re: Junker 188 crash
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:02 pm 
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Thus in the book's opinion the crew did not die but it only remained hurt???
The local population that I interviewed said me that 3 or 4 bodies were recovered and they were buried in the cemetary of a fraction of Frabosa Soprana near the crash's site.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 8:00 pm 
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http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=16670


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 Post subject: Re: Junker 188 crash
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Claudio,

many thanks

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 Post subject: Re: Junker 188 crash
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:32 pm 
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In the last days, I found some new information.
I found parts of machine-gun MG151.
From one of these pieces I read the serial code.
In your opinion It is possible recovery where this machine-gun was installed?
To clear for everyone which aerial it was.
Thank's to all.


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 Post subject: Re: Junker 188 crash
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:59 am 
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no idea?


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 Post subject: Re: Junker 188 crash
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:51 am 
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Claudio,

Sorry have been on holiday.

In any event I cannot answer your question and notice that you have had some response over on TOCH.

Given that guns were removed on a frequent basis for service I would not expect that it would be possible to establish this unless the service records for the aircraft were available and I am not aware that any records of that level of detail would have survived the war.

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 Post subject: Re: Junker 188 crash
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:53 am 
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so, the code of MG 151 is
A35075 FWH the serial number of the barrel is 1596
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