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 Post subject: Loss of Dornier Do 17P 4N+KL of 3.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 22
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:52 pm 
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Hi

On eBay http://www.ebay.de/itm/4-Fotos-abgest-Deut-Kampf-Flugzeug-4N-KL-2-WK-/290625230632?pt=Militaria&hash=item43aa9d1728 there are three photos of the loss of Dornier Do 17P 4N+KL. It appears to be a 100% loss and unless the crew managed to bail out I wouldn’t imagine that they survived. There is nothing left of the cockpit area and the rear fuselage looks like it was hit in the air.

On the rear of the photographs is a considerable amount of information, but my understanding of German is not good enough to battle through the difficult handwriting. Any further information would be appreciated.

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 Post subject: Re: Loss of Dornier Do 17P 4N+KL of 2.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 22
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:18 pm 
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Ian,

Chris Goss in "Do 17 in Focus" has another photo of this aircraft on page 56, the caption reads "Do 17P-1 of 3(F)./22 coded 4N+KL down in enemy territory, as indicated by the crudely removed swastika from the tailfin. The camouflage pattern is unusual."

According to Cornwell "The battle of France then and now" p202 3.(F)/22 was under control of Heeresgruppe A and was attached to 16. Armee operating from Wiesbaden on 10 May 1940.

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 Post subject: Re: Loss of Dornier Do 17P 4N+KL of 2.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 22
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:38 pm 
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Ian,

If this took place during the Battle of France, I have three candidates from Cornwell's book, they are:-

1. Nov 7 1939 - 3.(F)/22 - Do 17P - Shot down south of Bleskastel by Sgt Sales of GC 11/5 and crashed al Kahlenberg between St Ingbert and Hassel. Oberfw H. Wagener. Oberfw H. Thor. and Oberfw A. Gerbig killed. Aircraft a write-off.

2. Nov 23 1939 - 3.(F)/22 - Do17P - Shot down by S/L Halahan and F/0 Brown of No. 1 Sqdn during reconnaissance sortie between Verdun and Metz crashed and burned out near Haumont-les-Lachaussee 2.00 p.m. Fw F. Hallauer. Fw S. Dressler, and Gefr W. Schülz killed. Aircraft a write-off.

3.Jun 5 1940 - 3(F)./22 - Do17P. Forced-landed both engines damaged in attacks by S/L More and F'O Kain of No. 73 Squadron during reconnaissance over Reims. Lt W. Felge, Fw W. Rössler. and Obergefr J. Heims caplured unhurt. Aircraft a write-off.

Hope that this is of help.

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 Post subject: Re: Loss of Dornier Do 17P 4N+KL of 2.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 22
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Thanks Andy

Over at Toch I was informed that the loss occured on the 5th June 1940, but no location was given. Your information would suggest that this was your third candidate. Additionally it was stated that the aircraft 'safely' crash landed but was then destroyed by the crew....which explains why the crew were captured unhurt...but the aircraft was a write-off.

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 Post subject: Re: Loss of Dornier Do 17P 4N+KL of 3.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 22
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I found a little information on the RAF opposition on that day. As stated the squadron leader was J.W.C. More and 73 sqn with their Hurricanes were the last intact RAF combat unit left in France. The other pilot ‘Cobber’ Kain was a New Zealander. He had himself been shoot down twice since March 1940, on one occasion by Werner Mölders. But on the same day as the Do17P incident he also shot down a Bf109. On return to their airfield the 73 sqn pilots were ordered to return home. The next morning Kain took to his Hurricane and did one last aerobatic circuit of the airfield. As he did so his wing hit the ground, the Hurricane crashed and Kaine did not survive.

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