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 Post subject: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:42 pm 
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After purchasing a pair of Eiserne Kreuz documents, I am trying to ascertain the help of someone with access to the Luftwaffe QM Returns in relation to 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 and 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6 in 1943-44 by the name of Unteroffizier Erwin Lindner.

I uunderstand that very little has so far been written about these units, and any details and dates of aircraft, operations, crew etc really will be very well received indeed.

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 Post subject: Re: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:21 pm 
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Richard,

I will look through my copies of the QM Returns - you are no doubt aware that the losses for 1944 are not available....

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 Post subject: Re: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:35 pm 
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Richard, I will look through my copies of the QM Returns - you are no doubt aware that the losses for 1944 are not available....


Andy

Thank you for offering to have a look in the Luftwaffe QM Returns, it is much appreciated.

Even though the QM Returns for 1944 are not available, I still asked the question as a great deal of information has been gleaned over the years from Soldbucher, Wehrpassen, Flugbucher etc, which relates to aircraft, dates and losses etc.

Thanks again.

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 Post subject: Re: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:29 pm 
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Richard,

Started on Sunday by looking through what I have for early 1943 - Unfortunately, I did not find anything - but I have 10 months to go....

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 Post subject: Re: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:29 pm 
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Richard,

Finally found a loss for Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 ...but it was for 2./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 !

Anyway by way of completeness here it is.

15 May 1943 - 2. Störkampfstaffel Luftflotte 4 - Notlandung - Go 145 - 2855 - D3+?K (? is possibly a C) - 100% - Ofw Wilhelm Böwing (?)

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 Post subject: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:10 pm 
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Andy

I really appreciate your efforts in sifting through the Luftwaffe QM Returns in search of my original question.

I noted with interest in the loss that you listed that the crew of the Go-145 is listed only to a single crew member, ie the Flugzeugfuhrer. Due to the nature of the night operations undertaken by the unit in question, I did wonder previously whether indeed a Fliegerschutzen would be part of the crew also or not?

Any thoughts as to whether these were single man crews or is it an incomplete QM entry?

All thooughts and ideas welcome.

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 Post subject: Re: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:16 pm 
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Richard,

Confirm that Ofw Wilhelm Böwing (?) was the Flugzeugfuhrer.

However, what cannot be confirmed is whether he was the sole occupant of the aircraft when lost as if the other member of the crew escaped injury it is unlikely that they would get a mention.

I will see what I can find on these sorts of operations with Go 145s as they were used by a number of units.

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 Post subject: Re: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
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Richard,

Looking through the returns is also helping me as I am finding additional entries for 122 together with names , codes and Wk Nummer that I do not have listed. So these are being added to my master document prior to being added to the necessary web pages.

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 Post subject: Re: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
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Richard,

Here is another entry, not for your unit but this also adds weight to the theory that Go 145s flew with only one crew.

6. Storkampfst. Luftflotte 4 - 10.5.43 - Combat sortie near Warenikowskaja - shotdown by own Flak - Go 145 - Wk. Nummer 1468 - Obgfr Horst Reidel killed.

Lw Qu.M. Returns 26 May 1943 - Sheet 11 - entry - 156

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 Post subject: Re: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
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Richard,

Finally, one for the unit that you are interested in....

3./Störkampst. Luftflotte 4 - 24.5.43 - Combat sortie Pl.Qu.7584 - Flak - Go 145 - 70% - Uffz. Franz Poleczek injured.

Lw. Qu.M. returns 29.5.43 - Sheet 6 - entry 106.

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 Post subject: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:45 pm 
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Andy

That is excellent information!

Taking into consideration 3 seperate Luftwaffe QM Returns entries for Go-145 machines operating with the Störkampfgruppe, listing only the Flugzeugfuher, does seem to indicate that they were flown by a single crew member only.

The loss details for the 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 is welcome information indeed, and thank you for taking the trouble to look in such detail, it has been a great help.

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 Post subject: Re: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
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Richard,

Still got 7 months to go.....

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 Post subject: Re: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
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Richard,

Here are some more losses - one for 3 Staffel and an number of others for 5 Staffel.

9 Jun 1943 - 3.Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - Wysche?tblijewskaja - Crashed on take-off - 80% - Go 145 -Wk Nummer 1219 - Uffz Friedrich Bodo injured.

14 May 1943 - 5.Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - Kuteinikowo - Operational error (Bedienungsfehler) - Hs 126 - Wk Nummer 3410 - 75% - no crew casualties recorded.

16 May 1943 - 5.Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - Kuteinikowo - Operational error (Bedienungsfehler) - He 46 - Wk Nummer 1233 - 50% - no crew casualties recorded.

17 May 1943 - 5.Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - Kuteinikowo - Operational error (Bedienungsfehler) - Hs 126 - Wk Nummer 3318 - 35% - no crew casualties recorded.

17 May 1943 - 5.Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - Kuteinikowo - Operational error (Bedienungsfehler) - Hs 126 - Wk Nummer 4082 - 35% - no crew casualties recorded.

2 Jun 1943 - 5.Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - Kuteinikowo - technical failure - He 46 - Wk Nummer 851 - 35% - no crew casualties recorded.

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 Post subject: Re: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
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Richard,

A couple more from 4./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4

12.6.1943 - Kramaterskaja - Hit something on take-off - Ar 66 - Wk Nummer 414 - 50% damage - Uffz Georg Kuhn injured.

30.5.1943 - Kramaterskaja -damaged by bombs (airfield attacked) - Ar 66 - Wk Nummer 2241 - 30% damage, no crew casualties listed.

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 Post subject: Re: 3./Störkampfgruppe Luftflotte 4 - 1./Nachtschlachtgruppe 6
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Two more from 4 Staffel, this time a mid-air collision.

16 Jun 1943 - Kramaterskaja - Ar 66 - Wk Nummer 835 and 925 - both 100% - Uffz Pius Machauer and gefr Kurt Ristow both killed.

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