www.forums.luftwaffedata.co.uk

This forum is associated with www.luftwaffedata.co.uk
It is currently Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:03 am

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 22 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Aufklarungsgruppe 122, Luftwaffe Recce Unit - Repost
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:52 pm 
Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:20 pm
Posts: 58
Location: Biggin Hill UK
Andy Mitchell Posted: Jul 30 2005, 09:55 PM

If anyone has any information regarding this unit please contact the undersigned or reply to this message.

Any additional information that is added to the 122 Diary pages will be fully credited.


--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
gogh Posted: Aug 7 2005, 07:45 PM

here is the stkfz data base. Perhaps this will help you some futher

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/stammkennzeichen.html

Its still growing If you have some information on some stkfz we will
appreciate your input

Cheers Peter van Gogh


-------------------------------------------
grassi Posted: Aug 18 2005, 09:31 PM


Hi,

Uffz. Blaschek's full name is Otto Blaschek (2./122). Born 1921 in Olmütz. He survived the war and is still in good health. He lifes near Munich. His pilot, Hptm. H. v.d. Daele, also survived (crew had 85-90 sorties together from ~ early 1944 to ~ early 1945 , 1 time crashlanded after being shotdown - plane burned out, 1 time shot down & got away by parachute). Also a comared, Fw. (?) Herbert Bayer, pilot, survived.

As far as Otto Blaschek remembers, they had a realy hard time.
Only on their first mission they were not bothered by allied fighters. On their 7th they went through a convoy close to the harbour of Nettuno (sometime after the landing operation): They flew very very low and escaped.
They were able to detect the ships for the allied landing in Southern France in summer of 1944 and they were the crew which was sent ~ 3 weeks later to do recce over the landing beaches (not warned that there was a landing going on - they thought that it was just a little flight over German held territory).

I have got some questions:
1. What kind of accident happend on the 3000th sorty of 2./122? And why they had 2 times a 3000th mission?
2. Is there any information about an ex-member of (2.?/)122 called Uffz. EBERLEIN, who transferred from this unit to Messerschmidt to become "Einflieger" of Me 262 planes in Neubiberg?
3. Is there any information whether Hptm. Weinand got the Ritterkreuz or not?
4. Is there any indication that 122 got Me 262 (recce version)?

Thanks a lot

grassi

-------------------------------------------
wekusta Posted: Aug 18 2005, 11:51 PM

Grassi,

Many Thanks for your post and for joining the forum.

I will briefly comment below and then do some further digging:-

1. Beale et al in Airwar Italy have this to say "Their Me 410, F6+QK, apparently suffered some kind of accidental or technical mishap sufficient to end it's operational career, but it will reappear in rather odd circumstances." There is also reference to 2 Staffel's KTB recording both 3000th missions. (see page 44 Airwar Italy. I cannot offer a reason for there being two 3000th missions except for the following thoughts - it may be that as the aircraft suffered an accident there was a decission to await another successful mission before celebrating the units 3000th mission. This is what happened with 3 Staffel's 2000th mission (see 3./122 Image page for further details of this.).

2. I currently have no record of Uffz Eberlein - however, that just means information relating to him has not yet come my way. Information on most of the personnel listed is either derived from loss information or from the incomplete Offizier Stellenbesetzung that I have. Any further information, that you have, on this individual would be appreciated.

3. Unfortunately, I have no information regarding Hptm. Weinand receiving the Ritterkreuz. I checked http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de and found no reference there although I did find a Hptm Johannes Weineck(b. 25/12/44) of 5./122 who received the Ritterkreuz as an Oberleutnant on 29/02/44.

4. I have nothing to hand regarding 122 and the Me 262 - as far as any references I have seen they did not use the 262. Although I will look through my papers over the next few days to see if there were any suggestions of it being considered. In the later stages of the war a lot of the recce tasks in Italy were taken over by Kommando Sommer which flew the Ar 234.

Thank you very much for the details regarding Otto Blaschek and Hptm v d Daele - I am in intermittent contact with the grandson of Karl-Heinz Klinke who also flew with 2./122 and who, I understand was a friend of Herbert van den Daele.
If you are able to obtain any details of specific sorties etc flown by Otto Blaschek I would be most happy to add them to the 122 web pages.

It's getting late now so I will close. However, I will attempt to find out some more about the 3000th mission and revert.


--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
Nick Beale Posted: Aug 21 2005, 12:34 AM

QUOTE: "Is there any information about an ex-member of (2.?/)122 called Uffz. EBERLEIN, who transferred from this unit to Messerschmidt to become "Einflieger" of Me 262 planes in Neubiberg?"

From "Air War Italy 1944-45: The Axis Air Forces from the Liberation of Rome to the Surrender" (N, Beale, F. D'Amico, G. Valentini) (Airlife, 1996):

"On the 2nd [February 1945] ferry pilot Schaal brought Me 410 BU+SI (later F6+BK) to Ghedi. Messerschmitt works pilot Eberlein normally tested new Me 262s but today he (with an observer, Pankatz) ferried an Me 410 from Riem. Eberlein's logbook records his arrival with TI+WB at 1411, whereas 2.(F)/122's KTB has him landing in PS+TM (later F6+CK) at 1704! TJ+WB (later F6+DK) was operating with 2./122 a fortnight later but the KTB overlooks its delivery."

Don't ask me if I could find the copied page I had from Eberlein's Flugbuch - I wrote that paragraph about 14 years ago, now! I didn't infer at the time that he became a member of 2.(F)/122 - I don't recall his name recurring in the KTB on any of the few missions 2.(F)/122 had yet to fly.

-------------------------------------------
grassi Posted: Aug 21 2005, 02:47 PM

Hi Wekusta & Nick Beale,

thanks for your great info! Otto Blaschek vividly remembers the war times and told loads of storries. He is sorry that he cannot remember many exact dates - so not everything is absolutely waterproof.

Otto Blaschek remembers Eberlein as a funny, daring and sometimes not realy disciplined pilot - who at least once "visited" his mates in Italy without having the explicit order to do this... When Blaschek and Van der Daele transferred to Neubiberg they saw a Me 262 flying a looping (and rightly suspected Eberlein being the pilot).

I don't have many exact dates but Blaschek does remember that he was trainend on planes like Weihe, Ju 88, Ju 188, FW 200 (once or smth. like that), Me 110 and Me 410. He got a 2 years training course, very tough and thoroughly.
In 2/122 every crew had to fly one mission a week, later two missions a week. Late at war only the most experienced crews were sent out (due to a lack of fuel?). Not much you might tink, but losses were high. Otto Blaschek remembers that he survived ~ two full staffels (2x 12 crews).

I will post some more information.

Best wishes

grassi

-------------------------------------------
Michal Posted: Aug 30 2005, 01:37 PM

Hallo,

I have information about force-land one Me 410, BR+RV, nearby Prague on May 8 1944. I assume it could be plane of Aufklärunggruppe 122. Could somebody confirm my hypothesis?

Thanks

Michal

-------------------------------------------
wekusta Posted: Aug 30 2005, 10:00 PM

Michal,

As you can see from the site detail for May 1944 is a little sparse to say the least.

I have 1./122 under control of Luftflotte Reich, at Gutenfeld (?) equiped with Me 410 and Bf110 and in the process of re-equiping, presumably with Me 410.
Jul – Aug 44 – 1(F)./122 not located, but probably withdrew from Baranowicze to Warsaw-Okecie around 16 July and then to Thorn in about mid-August.

In June I have 4./122 at Jürgenfelde(?) probably equiped with 188s.
"July 1944 - 1(F)./123 was withdrawn from Italy (and disbanded the following August) to be replaced by 4(F)./122 – brought in from Königsberg. 4(F)./122 arrived at Bergamo-Sud equiped with the GM-1 boosted Ju 188D and Ju 88T."

So if we can identify the location of Gutenfeld(e) we may place this aircraft as part of 1./122 if the location and other details match - however, without additional evidence your gues is as good as mine.
Have you tries a post on the Luftwaffe Experten Stammkennzeichen Database and discussion forum they may be able to help.


--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
Michal Posted: Sep 1 2005, 11:05 AM

Hallo,

Gutenfeld(e) Airfield was probably this one in former East Prussia. Also Gutenfeld is German variation of name of East Czech Town Dobruška, but I do not have any info regarding airfield in Dobruška during WW2.

I assume that this aircraft could belonged to Aufklärungsgrupe 122 because other Stammkenzeichen with BR+R? belonged to Aufklärungsgruppe 122.

The other variation is that this aircraft was on route from factory to unit.

That´s all what I know and think

Best

Michal

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Nov 13 2005, 05:20 PM

23Mar42 1(F)/122 Loss

F/L Hugh Anthony Stephen Johnston 126 Sqn claimed a Ju88 that corresponds to the loss of F6+CH

Andy Fletcher

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Nov 13 2005, 06:24 PM


11Oct42 2(F)/122 Loss

F/O? Howard Arthur Crafts 'B' Flt Cdr 'Y' Sqn (Gibraltar Defense Flt) claimed a Ju88 that corresponds to the loss of Ju88D-1 (430319; F6+KK) that crashlanded at Melilla, Spanish Morocco (2xWIA)

Andy Fletcher

-------------------------------------------
Andy Mitchell Posted: Nov 13 2005, 08:29 PM

Andy

Many thanks for these - will post them on the site shortly.


--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Nov 16 2005, 05:14 PM


19Apr43 2(F)/122 Loss

F/L Alexander Hendry Thom 'B' Flt Cdr 87 Sqn claimed a Me210 over Tunisia. Uffz Förster 2(F)/122 KIA.

Is this F6+ZK listed as lost 18Apr43 or another loss not listed?

Regards

Andy (F)

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Jan 11 2006, 09:28 PM


27-28Apr41 4(F)/122 Loss

P/O? Dudley Ormston Hobbis 219 Sqn, flying a Beaufighter If, claimed an u/i a/c on this date that corresponds exactly with the loss of Ju88A-1 (0294; F6+AM) piloted by Fw Gerhard Klier (KIA).

Regards

Andy (F)

-------------------------------------------
Andy Mitchell Posted: Jan 15 2006, 03:23 PM

Andy,

When my PC is up and running again I'll cross check and update the documents for the website.


Many thanks

--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Jun 9 2006, 11:20 PM

01-02Aug44 6.(F)/122 Loss

F/L Robert Edward Reynolds 255 Sqn, flying a Beaufighter VIf, claimed a Ju 88 15m N.E. Ancona that corresponds to the loss of Ju 88A-4 (300219; F6+NP)

Regards

Andy (F)

-------------------------------------------
wekusta Posted: Jun 10 2006, 08:19 PM


Andy

Many thanks


--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
teggan Posted: Jun 22 2006, 12:00 PM

In case you have any interest of photos of 3./122 you'll find it here.


http://www.eggan.net/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=25


-------------------------------------------
dave wadman Posted: Jun 22 2006, 07:34 PM

Unfortunately the link doesn't seem to want to open.

Rgds

Dave

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Jun 22 2006, 08:55 PM


Give it another try Dave, it just worked okay for me.

Andy (F)

-------------------------------------------
wekusta Posted: Jun 22 2006, 10:40 PM


Worked fine for me as well.

As did this one on Küst.Fl.Gr 506

http://www.eggan.net/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=2

--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
dave wadman Posted: Jun 22 2006, 10:46 PM


OK guys,

Got 'em now - must have been something in the water over here!!

Cheers

Dave

-------------------------------------------
Adam Posted: Jun 26 2006, 02:23 AM

Yeah, that's it Dave... blame the water!


P.S. Thanks for the links

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Jun 27 2006, 09:33 AM


27Jul43 3.(F)/122 Loss

Additional information for this loss.

Ju 88D-1 (430669; 7A+BH) - aircraft belonged to 1.(F)/121

Unfortunately I made no note of the source of this info so it needs varifying. Maybe Remi could check his database.

Oblt Walter Salecker [Bo] and Obfw Heinrich Gärtner [Bf] were both DKiG recipients.

Best Regards

Andy (F)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: 2.(F)/122 loss 11Jul43
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:10 pm 
Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:50 pm
Posts: 80
Location: Ireland
W/O Peter John Hedderwick 43 Sqn flying Spitfire Vc (JG724; FT-H) claimed a 1/2 share in a Me 210 50m S.W. Cap Arnu on 11Jul43. This claim is probably for Fw Willi Möllers 2.(F)/122 flying Ju 88D (430794; F6+GK)

Source: Those Other Eagles - Chris Shores

Regards

Andy (F)

_________________
Per Speculationem Impellor ad Intelligendum


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:43 pm 
Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:20 pm
Posts: 58
Location: Biggin Hill UK
Andy,

Many thanks

Will update the site shortly.

_________________
Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk
===============


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:10 am 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:58 am
Posts: 75
Some more info for the (F)./122 files:

on 9.5.43, two aircraft of 3.(F)/122 were on operations over the North Sea and were tracked by British radio between 2050 - 2230 hours. The frequencies used by the aircraft were 5684 and 4614 (Source: NA Air 22/498)

Regards

Adam


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:54 am 
Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:20 pm
Posts: 58
Location: Biggin Hill UK
Adam,

Many thanks for this - I will add to the site shortly.

_________________
Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk
===============


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:30 am 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:58 am
Posts: 75
Some more info - this time from AIR 40/1975:

On 12.7.41 an Oblt of 2./122 informed Luftflotte 2, Minsk, that he had been shot down by a German fighter 10km West of Vitebsk, the Bf and Bm were both injured. They were now at [Kanary - I think as it is very hard to read] aerodrome. He would fly back to Minsk in a Bf 108 at 0430 on 13.7.41.

The date on the file is 14.7.41


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:56 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:58 pm
Posts: 805
Adam,

Once again, a great many thanks for this, another piece to add to the jigsaw.

_________________
Regards

Andy Mitchell
LuftwaffeData Forum Site Admin


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:01 pm 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:58 am
Posts: 75
Hi Andy,

Have got some more stuff for you. Some of it crosses over with whats already in the war diary on the site, but its all interesting nonetheless:



***HW 13/26***
10.8.42

2030 Elmas reported that 6 recce Ju 88 of 2/122 had arrived from Trapani and were all serviceable, also that after refueling these ac there would only be left with 16CBM of B4 fuel

11.8.42

0400 six aircraft of 2/122 took off from Elmas to carry out preliminary sea reconnaissance as far as 02Deg West (Looking for Force F, Operation Pedestal)

0615 Force F located by one of the above a/c in 03E 1825 (shadowing operation continued throughout the day by a total of 12 recce Ju 88s sending beacon signals on 406 kilocycles – one shot down, two landed Algiers)

25.9.42
3 patrols along the Dutch coast

29.9.42
2 patrols along the Dutch coast

3/122: on 1 October this unit, which had no operated during the greater part of September (1942 presumably) and had operations at the end of this month with one or two coastal security patrols, began a new energetic routine, Four a/c operated daily, two at dawn and two at dusk, one off the East Coast and one off the Dutch coast. The morning East coast a/c flew as far as Flamboro Head, the evening one only into the Thames Estuary or off the case of East Anglia. This continued fairly regularly until 16 October, though towards the end of this period the two operations (East coast and Dutch coast) were being run together into one flight.

On 9 Oct. the unit moved to Schipol

On 17 Oct. one evening a/c only operated and until 23 Oct there were no operations at all. From this date onwards one a/c operated in the evening, covering the sea area between the Dutch and East Anglian coasts.

On 23, 25, 27 and 31 Oct. on a/c also operated in the Channel during the afternoon.

*** HW 13/107***
2.1.42
1/122 PR of La Valetta harbour around midday

8.1.42
1/122 PR of Malta

9.1.42
2/122 1 a/c to PR Malta

13.1.42
1/122 PR of La Valetta harbour following attack by KG 54

16.1.42
1/122 1 a/c PR Valetta
1 a/c PR Benghazi harbour

28.1.42 2/122 F6+EK Photo Recon of La Valetta harbour

29.1.42 as above – no known Vkz though

1.2 1(?)/122 PR La Valetta
2/122 F6+AK take off 1300, landing 1500 (Ju 88 ) on special patrol in area south of Crete as far as 23E7211. No shipping sighted

2.2 1(?)/122 PR La Valetta harbour
?/122 2 a/c on ASR off African coast during the afternoon

3.2 1/122 4 a/c off Cape Passero. Nothing sighted

4.2 2/122 1, poss. 2 a/c (AK?, BK?) on special recce. No sighting
5.2 1/122 1 PR of La Valetta harbour
2/122 1 Ju 88 Rec near Tobruk reports:
a) 1206 in 23E5384 three medium m.v. course 250
b) 1209 in 23E5359 three large m.v. course 90
c) 1223 in 23E4369 two tankers and three medium m.v. course 90
d) 1227 in 23E4364 three medium m.v. and two destroyers with escort of two fighters course West

6.2 2/122 1 a/c ASR western Med; 1 a/c PR La Valetta; 2 other sorties also carried out. Nothing special reported though one a/c was F6+VK

7.2 ?/122 3 sorties of La Valetta

When I type more out I'll send it through.

regards

Adam


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aufklarungsgruppe 122, Luftwaffe Recce Unit - Repost
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:52 pm 
Offline
Member

Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:41 pm
Posts: 2
Location: Rimouski (Québec)
Andy Mitchell wrote:
Andy Mitchell Posted: Jul 30 2005, 09:55 PM

If anyone has any information regarding this unit please contact the undersigned or reply to this message.

Any additional information that is added to the 122 Diary pages will be fully credited.


--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
gogh Posted: Aug 7 2005, 07:45 PM

here is the stkfz data base. Perhaps this will help you some futher

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/stammkennzeichen.html

Its still growing If you have some information on some stkfz we will
appreciate your input

Cheers Peter van Gogh


-------------------------------------------
grassi Posted: Aug 18 2005, 09:31 PM


Hi,

Uffz. Blaschek's full name is Otto Blaschek (2./122). Born 1921 in Olmütz. He survived the war and is still in good health. He lifes near Munich. His pilot, Hptm. H. v.d. Daele, also survived (crew had 85-90 sorties together from ~ early 1944 to ~ early 1945 , 1 time crashlanded after being shotdown - plane burned out, 1 time shot down & got away by parachute). Also a comared, Fw. (?) Herbert Bayer, pilot, survived.

As far as Otto Blaschek remembers, they had a realy hard time.
Only on their first mission they were not bothered by allied fighters. On their 7th they went through a convoy close to the harbour of Nettuno (sometime after the landing operation): They flew very very low and escaped.
They were able to detect the ships for the allied landing in Southern France in summer of 1944 and they were the crew which was sent ~ 3 weeks later to do recce over the landing beaches (not warned that there was a landing going on - they thought that it was just a little flight over German held territory).

I have got some questions:
1. What kind of accident happend on the 3000th sorty of 2./122? And why they had 2 times a 3000th mission?
2. Is there any information about an ex-member of (2.?/)122 called Uffz. EBERLEIN, who transferred from this unit to Messerschmidt to become "Einflieger" of Me 262 planes in Neubiberg?
3. Is there any information whether Hptm. Weinand got the Ritterkreuz or not?
4. Is there any indication that 122 got Me 262 (recce version)?

Thanks a lot

grassi

-------------------------------------------
wekusta Posted: Aug 18 2005, 11:51 PM

Grassi,

Many Thanks for your post and for joining the forum.

I will briefly comment below and then do some further digging:-

1. Beale et al in Airwar Italy have this to say "Their Me 410, F6+QK, apparently suffered some kind of accidental or technical mishap sufficient to end it's operational career, but it will reappear in rather odd circumstances." There is also reference to 2 Staffel's KTB recording both 3000th missions. (see page 44 Airwar Italy. I cannot offer a reason for there being two 3000th missions except for the following thoughts - it may be that as the aircraft suffered an accident there was a decission to await another successful mission before celebrating the units 3000th mission. This is what happened with 3 Staffel's 2000th mission (see 3./122 Image page for further details of this.).

2. I currently have no record of Uffz Eberlein - however, that just means information relating to him has not yet come my way. Information on most of the personnel listed is either derived from loss information or from the incomplete Offizier Stellenbesetzung that I have. Any further information, that you have, on this individual would be appreciated.

3. Unfortunately, I have no information regarding Hptm. Weinand receiving the Ritterkreuz. I checked http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de and found no reference there although I did find a Hptm Johannes Weineck(b. 25/12/44) of 5./122 who received the Ritterkreuz as an Oberleutnant on 29/02/44.

4. I have nothing to hand regarding 122 and the Me 262 - as far as any references I have seen they did not use the 262. Although I will look through my papers over the next few days to see if there were any suggestions of it being considered. In the later stages of the war a lot of the recce tasks in Italy were taken over by Kommando Sommer which flew the Ar 234.

Thank you very much for the details regarding Otto Blaschek and Hptm v d Daele - I am in intermittent contact with the grandson of Karl-Heinz Klinke who also flew with 2./122 and who, I understand was a friend of Herbert van den Daele.
If you are able to obtain any details of specific sorties etc flown by Otto Blaschek I would be most happy to add them to the 122 web pages.

It's getting late now so I will close. However, I will attempt to find out some more about the 3000th mission and revert.


--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
Nick Beale Posted: Aug 21 2005, 12:34 AM

QUOTE: "Is there any information about an ex-member of (2.?/)122 called Uffz. EBERLEIN, who transferred from this unit to Messerschmidt to become "Einflieger" of Me 262 planes in Neubiberg?"

From "Air War Italy 1944-45: The Axis Air Forces from the Liberation of Rome to the Surrender" (N, Beale, F. D'Amico, G. Valentini) (Airlife, 1996):

"On the 2nd [February 1945] ferry pilot Schaal brought Me 410 BU+SI (later F6+BK) to Ghedi. Messerschmitt works pilot Eberlein normally tested new Me 262s but today he (with an observer, Pankatz) ferried an Me 410 from Riem. Eberlein's logbook records his arrival with TI+WB at 1411, whereas 2.(F)/122's KTB has him landing in PS+TM (later F6+CK) at 1704! TJ+WB (later F6+DK) was operating with 2./122 a fortnight later but the KTB overlooks its delivery."

Don't ask me if I could find the copied page I had from Eberlein's Flugbuch - I wrote that paragraph about 14 years ago, now! I didn't infer at the time that he became a member of 2.(F)/122 - I don't recall his name recurring in the KTB on any of the few missions 2.(F)/122 had yet to fly.

-------------------------------------------
grassi Posted: Aug 21 2005, 02:47 PM

Hi Wekusta & Nick Beale,

thanks for your great info! Otto Blaschek vividly remembers the war times and told loads of storries. He is sorry that he cannot remember many exact dates - so not everything is absolutely waterproof.

Otto Blaschek remembers Eberlein as a funny, daring and sometimes not realy disciplined pilot - who at least once "visited" his mates in Italy without having the explicit order to do this... When Blaschek and Van der Daele transferred to Neubiberg they saw a Me 262 flying a looping (and rightly suspected Eberlein being the pilot).

I don't have many exact dates but Blaschek does remember that he was trainend on planes like Weihe, Ju 88, Ju 188, FW 200 (once or smth. like that), Me 110 and Me 410. He got a 2 years training course, very tough and thoroughly.
In 2/122 every crew had to fly one mission a week, later two missions a week. Late at war only the most experienced crews were sent out (due to a lack of fuel?). Not much you might tink, but losses were high. Otto Blaschek remembers that he survived ~ two full staffels (2x 12 crews).

I will post some more information.

Best wishes

grassi

-------------------------------------------
Michal Posted: Aug 30 2005, 01:37 PM

Hallo,

I have information about force-land one Me 410, BR+RV, nearby Prague on May 8 1944. I assume it could be plane of Aufklärunggruppe 122. Could somebody confirm my hypothesis?

Thanks

Michal

-------------------------------------------
wekusta Posted: Aug 30 2005, 10:00 PM

Michal,

As you can see from the site detail for May 1944 is a little sparse to say the least.

I have 1./122 under control of Luftflotte Reich, at Gutenfeld (?) equiped with Me 410 and Bf110 and in the process of re-equiping, presumably with Me 410.
Jul – Aug 44 – 1(F)./122 not located, but probably withdrew from Baranowicze to Warsaw-Okecie around 16 July and then to Thorn in about mid-August.

In June I have 4./122 at Jürgenfelde(?) probably equiped with 188s.
"July 1944 - 1(F)./123 was withdrawn from Italy (and disbanded the following August) to be replaced by 4(F)./122 – brought in from Königsberg. 4(F)./122 arrived at Bergamo-Sud equiped with the GM-1 boosted Ju 188D and Ju 88T."

So if we can identify the location of Gutenfeld(e) we may place this aircraft as part of 1./122 if the location and other details match - however, without additional evidence your gues is as good as mine.
Have you tries a post on the Luftwaffe Experten Stammkennzeichen Database and discussion forum they may be able to help.


--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
Michal Posted: Sep 1 2005, 11:05 AM

Hallo,

Gutenfeld(e) Airfield was probably this one in former East Prussia. Also Gutenfeld is German variation of name of East Czech Town Dobruška, but I do not have any info regarding airfield in Dobruška during WW2.

I assume that this aircraft could belonged to Aufklärungsgrupe 122 because other Stammkenzeichen with BR+R? belonged to Aufklärungsgruppe 122.

The other variation is that this aircraft was on route from factory to unit.

That´s all what I know and think

Best

Michal

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Nov 13 2005, 05:20 PM

23Mar42 1(F)/122 Loss

F/L Hugh Anthony Stephen Johnston 126 Sqn claimed a Ju88 that corresponds to the loss of F6+CH

Andy Fletcher

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Nov 13 2005, 06:24 PM


11Oct42 2(F)/122 Loss

F/O? Howard Arthur Crafts 'B' Flt Cdr 'Y' Sqn (Gibraltar Defense Flt) claimed a Ju88 that corresponds to the loss of Ju88D-1 (430319; F6+KK) that crashlanded at Melilla, Spanish Morocco (2xWIA)

Andy Fletcher

-------------------------------------------
Andy Mitchell Posted: Nov 13 2005, 08:29 PM

Andy

Many thanks for these - will post them on the site shortly.


--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Nov 16 2005, 05:14 PM


19Apr43 2(F)/122 Loss

F/L Alexander Hendry Thom 'B' Flt Cdr 87 Sqn claimed a Me210 over Tunisia. Uffz Förster 2(F)/122 KIA.

Is this F6+ZK listed as lost 18Apr43 or another loss not listed?

Regards

Andy (F)

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Jan 11 2006, 09:28 PM


27-28Apr41 4(F)/122 Loss

P/O? Dudley Ormston Hobbis 219 Sqn, flying a Beaufighter If, claimed an u/i a/c on this date that corresponds exactly with the loss of Ju88A-1 (0294; F6+AM) piloted by Fw Gerhard Klier (KIA).

Regards

Andy (F)

-------------------------------------------
Andy Mitchell Posted: Jan 15 2006, 03:23 PM

Andy,

When my PC is up and running again I'll cross check and update the documents for the website.


Many thanks

--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Jun 9 2006, 11:20 PM

01-02Aug44 6.(F)/122 Loss

F/L Robert Edward Reynolds 255 Sqn, flying a Beaufighter VIf, claimed a Ju 88 15m N.E. Ancona that corresponds to the loss of Ju 88A-4 (300219; F6+NP)

Regards

Andy (F)

-------------------------------------------
wekusta Posted: Jun 10 2006, 08:19 PM


Andy

Many thanks


--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
teggan Posted: Jun 22 2006, 12:00 PM

In case you have any interest of photos of 3./122 you'll find it here.


http://www.eggan.net/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=25


-------------------------------------------
dave wadman Posted: Jun 22 2006, 07:34 PM

Unfortunately the link doesn't seem to want to open.

Rgds

Dave

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Jun 22 2006, 08:55 PM


Give it another try Dave, it just worked okay for me.

Andy (F)

-------------------------------------------
wekusta Posted: Jun 22 2006, 10:40 PM


Worked fine for me as well.

As did this one on Küst.Fl.Gr 506

http://www.eggan.net/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=2

--------------------

Best Regards

Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk

-------------------------------------------
dave wadman Posted: Jun 22 2006, 10:46 PM


OK guys,

Got 'em now - must have been something in the water over here!!

Cheers

Dave

-------------------------------------------
Adam Posted: Jun 26 2006, 02:23 AM

Yeah, that's it Dave... blame the water!


P.S. Thanks for the links

-------------------------------------------
Andy Fletcher Posted: Jun 27 2006, 09:33 AM


27Jul43 3.(F)/122 Loss

Additional information for this loss.

Ju 88D-1 (430669; 7A+BH) - aircraft belonged to 1.(F)/121

Unfortunately I made no note of the source of this info so it needs varifying. Maybe Remi could check his database.

Oblt Walter Salecker [Bo] and Obfw Heinrich Gärtner [Bf] were both DKiG recipients.

Best Regards

Andy (F)

_________________
Lise-Audet Lapointe


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aufklarungsgruppe 122, Luftwaffe Recce Unit - Repost
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:44 pm 
Offline
Member

Joined: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:26 pm
Posts: 3
Location: Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
Hi Andy

I have the Flugbuch of Ritterkreuzträger Hauptmann Werner Breese of 5.(F)/122 and a number of aerial photos taken by his crew or other members of the unit. I also have Breese's Wehrpass, DKiG certificate, Goblet of Honour and award certificate and a number of other papers and some photo albums. Breese was a pilot, who most regularly flew with Wolfgang Misselwitz (officer & observer), Franz Koch (NCO & radio operator) and Josef Fink (NCO & flight engineer). This is the crew pictured in the photograph celebrating the 2000th mission of 5.(F)/122, each with a number around their necks. I have a copy of the Luftwaffe Magazine 'Flieger, Funker, Kanoniere' that contains the original article and photo.

I am willing to provide copies of anything that may be of interest. The 122 site has been a great help to my research so I am happy to return the favour.

Best wishes
Tim O.

_________________
'Trust is good but control is better'


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aufklarungsgruppe 122, Luftwaffe Recce Unit - Repost
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:37 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:58 pm
Posts: 805
Tim,

I'm glad that the 122 pages have been of some help.

Just had a look at the de Zeng and Stankey "Lw Officer Career Summaries" to see if there was any more detail on Breese - not much there unfortunately.

Many thanks for your kind offer.

I will contact you off-line regarding further details.

_________________
Regards

Andy Mitchell
LuftwaffeData Forum Site Admin


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aufklarungsgruppe 122, Luftwaffe Recce Unit - Repost
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:55 am 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:58 am
Posts: 75
Hi Andy,

Been a while since my last past/activity. Been busy wth work and Küstenfliegergruppen project.

Anyway, going through NA HW 5/1 material and found some additional information for you pertaining to 1.(F)/122 during 1940:

17.4: Reconnaissance found English warships and transports at Narvik. At the same time 3./Ob.d.L was subordinate to the unit

18.4: Reconnaissance by undisclosed numbers of a/c: Stavanger - Shetlands - Stadtlandt

21.4: Five a/c ready at Stavanger (you already have noted F6+HH loss on the data feed)

26.4: F6+GH overdue. Apparently lost 05E 4960. At Stavanger there was only 40,000 litres of fuel available when 150,000 litres, per day was necessary to maintain serviceability of all aircraft based there

30.4: Five aircraft available at Stavanger (it is unclear whether this is on strength or serviceable - given later reports I would suspect the latter)

3.5: Five aircraft available at Stavanger

4.5: As above

6.5: Apparently all except three machines were expected to return ASAP from Trondheim to Stavanger. Same day six machines ready.

8.5: One He 111 ready at Stavanger

9.5: Two He 111 ready at Stavanger

10.5: As above

11.5: Two a/c took off at 0225GMT. One landed at 0655GMT, the other at 1105GMT. Former returned early with no result due to weather. The other sighted warships near Narvik. 1x cruiser, course 45 Deg in 68 Deg, 08 Min N, 15 Deg, 15 Min E at 0515GMT; 1x Battleship, 1x cruiser, 3x transports stationary at 68 Deg, 30 Min N, 16 Deg 30 Min E at 0545GMT; 1x cruiser, 1x Destroyer, 5x transports outside Harstad at 0555GMT; 1x cruiser, 2x destroyers, 1x merchant at 67 Deg 15 Min N, 11 Deg, 40 Min E, course 260 Deg at 0910GMT. At 0700GMT the a/c reconnoitred Bardufoss airfield and saw 1x bi-plane on the runway, a wooden hut and a concrete hall apparently under construction. There were no fighters but light to moderate AA was encountered.

Later in the day only one aircraft was serviceable and it was apparently scheduled to make a recon of frontline positions Lofoten - Narvik - Tromsoe

12.5: Three He 111 ready at Stavanger

13.5: As above

14.5: Two He 111 ready at Stavanger, six at Drontheim

Every little bit counts!

Adam


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aufklarungsgruppe 122, Luftwaffe Recce Unit - Repost
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:24 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:58 pm
Posts: 805
As ever Adam - many thanks.

How is the project going?

_________________
Regards

Andy Mitchell
LuftwaffeData Forum Site Admin


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aufklarungsgruppe 122, Luftwaffe Recce Unit - Repost
PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:28 am 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:58 am
Posts: 75
No problems, Andy. Project is at the printers as we speak. Somewhat releived its all finished. Just in time for work deadlines to zoom up in my face (if not scream past in a blurr of fury!)

If/when I come across more I will post it your way.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Aufklarungsgruppe 122, Luftwaffe Recce Unit - Repost
PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:40 am 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:58 am
Posts: 75
A few extra details:

F6+AN suffered damage to the undercarriage on an unspecified date due to a landing incident in apparently inclement weather (sometime during January 1941)

On 11 January the 3 Staffel had the following: 12 aircraft available (1x He 111H-2, 11x Ju 88) and five ready (1x He 111H-2, 4x Ju 88). There were also seven crews, five of whom were ready.

A Major Banke was with the Gruppe on 22 January - whether he was personnel or visiting is not clear


Source for all three: NA HW 5/8

I'll keep sending through updates as and when I find them.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 22 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group