Andy Mitchell Posted: Jul 30 2005, 09:55 PM
If anyone has any information regarding this unit please contact the undersigned or reply to this message.
Any additional information that is added to the 122 Diary pages will be fully credited.
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Best Regards
Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk
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gogh Posted: Aug 7 2005, 07:45 PM
here is the stkfz data base. Perhaps this will help you some futher
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/stammkennzeichen.html
Its still growing If you have some information on some stkfz we will
appreciate your input
Cheers Peter van Gogh
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grassi Posted: Aug 18 2005, 09:31 PM
Hi,
Uffz. Blaschek's full name is Otto Blaschek (2./122). Born 1921 in Olmütz. He survived the war and is still in good health. He lifes near Munich. His pilot, Hptm. H. v.d. Daele, also survived (crew had 85-90 sorties together from ~ early 1944 to ~ early 1945 , 1 time crashlanded after being shotdown - plane burned out, 1 time shot down & got away by parachute). Also a comared, Fw. (?) Herbert Bayer, pilot, survived.
As far as Otto Blaschek remembers, they had a realy hard time.
Only on their first mission they were not bothered by allied fighters. On their 7th they went through a convoy close to the harbour of Nettuno (sometime after the landing operation): They flew very very low and escaped.
They were able to detect the ships for the allied landing in Southern France in summer of 1944 and they were the crew which was sent ~ 3 weeks later to do recce over the landing beaches (not warned that there was a landing going on - they thought that it was just a little flight over German held territory).
I have got some questions:
1. What kind of accident happend on the 3000th sorty of 2./122? And why they had 2 times a 3000th mission?
2. Is there any information about an ex-member of (2.?/)122 called Uffz. EBERLEIN, who transferred from this unit to Messerschmidt to become "Einflieger" of Me 262 planes in Neubiberg?
3. Is there any information whether Hptm. Weinand got the Ritterkreuz or not?
4. Is there any indication that 122 got Me 262 (recce version)?
Thanks a lot
grassi
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wekusta Posted: Aug 18 2005, 11:51 PM
Grassi,
Many Thanks for your post and for joining the forum.
I will briefly comment below and then do some further digging:-
1. Beale et al in Airwar Italy have this to say "Their Me 410, F6+QK, apparently suffered some kind of accidental or technical mishap sufficient to end it's operational career, but it will reappear in rather odd circumstances." There is also reference to 2 Staffel's KTB recording both 3000th missions. (see page 44 Airwar Italy. I cannot offer a reason for there being two 3000th missions except for the following thoughts - it may be that as the aircraft suffered an accident there was a decission to await another successful mission before celebrating the units 3000th mission. This is what happened with 3 Staffel's 2000th mission (see 3./122 Image page for further details of this.).
2. I currently have no record of Uffz Eberlein - however, that just means information relating to him has not yet come my way. Information on most of the personnel listed is either derived from loss information or from the incomplete Offizier Stellenbesetzung that I have. Any further information, that you have, on this individual would be appreciated.
3. Unfortunately, I have no information regarding Hptm. Weinand receiving the Ritterkreuz. I checked
http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de and found no reference there although I did find a Hptm Johannes Weineck(b. 25/12/44) of 5./122 who received the Ritterkreuz as an Oberleutnant on 29/02/44.
4. I have nothing to hand regarding 122 and the Me 262 - as far as any references I have seen they did not use the 262. Although I will look through my papers over the next few days to see if there were any suggestions of it being considered. In the later stages of the war a lot of the recce tasks in Italy were taken over by Kommando Sommer which flew the Ar 234.
Thank you very much for the details regarding Otto Blaschek and Hptm v d Daele - I am in intermittent contact with the grandson of Karl-Heinz Klinke who also flew with 2./122 and who, I understand was a friend of Herbert van den Daele.
If you are able to obtain any details of specific sorties etc flown by Otto Blaschek I would be most happy to add them to the 122 web pages.
It's getting late now so I will close. However, I will attempt to find out some more about the 3000th mission and revert.
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Best Regards
Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk
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Nick Beale Posted: Aug 21 2005, 12:34 AM
QUOTE: "Is there any information about an ex-member of (2.?/)122 called Uffz. EBERLEIN, who transferred from this unit to Messerschmidt to become "Einflieger" of Me 262 planes in Neubiberg?"
From "Air War Italy 1944-45: The Axis Air Forces from the Liberation of Rome to the Surrender" (N, Beale, F. D'Amico, G. Valentini) (Airlife, 1996):
"On the 2nd [February 1945] ferry pilot Schaal brought Me 410 BU+SI (later F6+BK) to Ghedi. Messerschmitt works pilot Eberlein normally tested new Me 262s but today he (with an observer, Pankatz) ferried an Me 410 from Riem. Eberlein's logbook records his arrival with TI+WB at 1411, whereas 2.(F)/122's KTB has him landing in PS+TM (later F6+CK) at 1704! TJ+WB (later F6+DK) was operating with 2./122 a fortnight later but the KTB overlooks its delivery."
Don't ask me if I could find the copied page I had from Eberlein's Flugbuch - I wrote that paragraph about 14 years ago, now! I didn't infer at the time that he became a member of 2.(F)/122 - I don't recall his name recurring in the KTB on any of the few missions 2.(F)/122 had yet to fly.
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grassi Posted: Aug 21 2005, 02:47 PM
Hi Wekusta & Nick Beale,
thanks for your great info! Otto Blaschek vividly remembers the war times and told loads of storries. He is sorry that he cannot remember many exact dates - so not everything is absolutely waterproof.
Otto Blaschek remembers Eberlein as a funny, daring and sometimes not realy disciplined pilot - who at least once "visited" his mates in Italy without having the explicit order to do this... When Blaschek and Van der Daele transferred to Neubiberg they saw a Me 262 flying a looping (and rightly suspected Eberlein being the pilot).
I don't have many exact dates but Blaschek does remember that he was trainend on planes like Weihe, Ju 88, Ju 188, FW 200 (once or smth. like that), Me 110 and Me 410. He got a 2 years training course, very tough and thoroughly.
In 2/122 every crew had to fly one mission a week, later two missions a week. Late at war only the most experienced crews were sent out (due to a lack of fuel?). Not much you might tink, but losses were high. Otto Blaschek remembers that he survived ~ two full staffels (2x 12 crews).
I will post some more information.
Best wishes
grassi
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Michal Posted: Aug 30 2005, 01:37 PM
Hallo,
I have information about force-land one Me 410, BR+RV, nearby Prague on May 8 1944. I assume it could be plane of Aufklärunggruppe 122. Could somebody confirm my hypothesis?
Thanks
Michal
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wekusta Posted: Aug 30 2005, 10:00 PM
Michal,
As you can see from the site detail for May 1944 is a little sparse to say the least.
I have 1./122 under control of Luftflotte Reich, at Gutenfeld (?) equiped with Me 410 and Bf110 and in the process of re-equiping, presumably with Me 410.
Jul – Aug 44 – 1(F)./122 not located, but probably withdrew from Baranowicze to Warsaw-Okecie around 16 July and then to Thorn in about mid-August.
In June I have 4./122 at Jürgenfelde(?) probably equiped with 188s.
"July 1944 - 1(F)./123 was withdrawn from Italy (and disbanded the following August) to be replaced by 4(F)./122 – brought in from Königsberg. 4(F)./122 arrived at Bergamo-Sud equiped with the GM-1 boosted Ju 188D and Ju 88T."
So if we can identify the location of Gutenfeld(e) we may place this aircraft as part of 1./122 if the location and other details match - however, without additional evidence your gues is as good as mine.
Have you tries a post on the Luftwaffe Experten Stammkennzeichen Database and discussion forum they may be able to help.
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Best Regards
Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk
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Michal Posted: Sep 1 2005, 11:05 AM
Hallo,
Gutenfeld(e) Airfield was probably this one in former East Prussia. Also Gutenfeld is German variation of name of East Czech Town Dobruška, but I do not have any info regarding airfield in Dobruška during WW2.
I assume that this aircraft could belonged to Aufklärungsgrupe 122 because other Stammkenzeichen with BR+R? belonged to Aufklärungsgruppe 122.
The other variation is that this aircraft was on route from factory to unit.
That´s all what I know and think
Best
Michal
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Andy Fletcher Posted: Nov 13 2005, 05:20 PM
23Mar42 1(F)/122 Loss
F/L Hugh Anthony Stephen Johnston 126 Sqn claimed a Ju88 that corresponds to the loss of F6+CH
Andy Fletcher
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Andy Fletcher Posted: Nov 13 2005, 06:24 PM
11Oct42 2(F)/122 Loss
F/O? Howard Arthur Crafts 'B' Flt Cdr 'Y' Sqn (Gibraltar Defense Flt) claimed a Ju88 that corresponds to the loss of Ju88D-1 (430319; F6+KK) that crashlanded at Melilla, Spanish Morocco (2xWIA)
Andy Fletcher
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Andy Mitchell Posted: Nov 13 2005, 08:29 PM
Andy
Many thanks for these - will post them on the site shortly.
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Best Regards
Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk
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Andy Fletcher Posted: Nov 16 2005, 05:14 PM
19Apr43 2(F)/122 Loss
F/L Alexander Hendry Thom 'B' Flt Cdr 87 Sqn claimed a Me210 over Tunisia. Uffz Förster 2(F)/122 KIA.
Is this F6+ZK listed as lost 18Apr43 or another loss not listed?
Regards
Andy (F)
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Andy Fletcher Posted: Jan 11 2006, 09:28 PM
27-28Apr41 4(F)/122 Loss
P/O? Dudley Ormston Hobbis 219 Sqn, flying a Beaufighter If, claimed an u/i a/c on this date that corresponds exactly with the loss of Ju88A-1 (0294; F6+AM) piloted by Fw Gerhard Klier (KIA).
Regards
Andy (F)
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Andy Mitchell Posted: Jan 15 2006, 03:23 PM
Andy,
When my PC is up and running again I'll cross check and update the documents for the website.
Many thanks
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Best Regards
Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk
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Andy Fletcher Posted: Jun 9 2006, 11:20 PM
01-02Aug44 6.(F)/122 Loss
F/L Robert Edward Reynolds 255 Sqn, flying a Beaufighter VIf, claimed a Ju 88 15m N.E. Ancona that corresponds to the loss of Ju 88A-4 (300219; F6+NP)
Regards
Andy (F)
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wekusta Posted: Jun 10 2006, 08:19 PM
Andy
Many thanks
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Best Regards
Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk
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teggan Posted: Jun 22 2006, 12:00 PM
In case you have any interest of photos of 3./122 you'll find it here.
http://www.eggan.net/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=25
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dave wadman Posted: Jun 22 2006, 07:34 PM
Unfortunately the link doesn't seem to want to open.
Rgds
Dave
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Andy Fletcher Posted: Jun 22 2006, 08:55 PM
Give it another try Dave, it just worked okay for me.
Andy (F)
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wekusta Posted: Jun 22 2006, 10:40 PM
Worked fine for me as well.
As did this one on Küst.Fl.Gr 506
http://www.eggan.net/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=2
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Best Regards
Andy Mitchell
http://www.luftwaffedata.co.uk
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dave wadman Posted: Jun 22 2006, 10:46 PM
OK guys,
Got 'em now - must have been something in the water over here!!
Cheers
Dave
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Adam Posted: Jun 26 2006, 02:23 AM
Yeah, that's it Dave... blame the water!
P.S. Thanks for the links
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Andy Fletcher Posted: Jun 27 2006, 09:33 AM
27Jul43 3.(F)/122 Loss
Additional information for this loss.
Ju 88D-1 (430669; 7A+BH) - aircraft belonged to 1.(F)/121
Unfortunately I made no note of the source of this info so it needs varifying. Maybe Remi could check his database.
Oblt Walter Salecker [Bo] and Obfw Heinrich Gärtner [Bf] were both DKiG recipients.
Best Regards
Andy (F)